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TRANSLATION OF DVD-RECORDING IN THE CASE OF LUNA-GUEVARRA INTERP: LUNA: AGENT: LUNA: AGENT: She is- She is the agent who will take your case. Good morning [IA] Roberto, do you speak some English? A little bit. Okay. Uh, uh, Martha's gonna- I'm gonna have her read you your rights and go overstuffed with you in Spanish. Uh, I'll probably ask you some questions in English but feel free to answer however you're most comfortable. LUNA: AGENT: LUNA: AGENT: Uh-huh. Okay. Okay? All right. Uh, so, I know some people have already talked to you about what's going on today. Uh, this case is now my responsibility. So, I just need to go over some things with you, some things you may have already talked about. Uh, just so you know, I have already done some research and some investigation on this case. So, I already have some information and I may ask you questions that I already know the answer to. LUNA: AGENT: Okay. Uh, but, you know, my goal here today is to find out from you what's going on and really, all I want from you is to be truthful, to be honest. Uh, I have a pretty good idea of what, of what is happening but I wanna give you a chance to be cooperative with us and be honest andLUNA: AGENT: LUNA: AGENT: Yeah. -uh... I will. Okay, good. I have to write a report about, about this case and I want to be able to

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indicate in here that you were forthcoming because, you know, you seem like a good guy and it's just gonna be easier for both of us ifYeah. -you just tell us the truth. Uh, before we talk about it anymore though, we need to get some background information on you andOkay. -uh, I'll let Martha take care of that. What's your last name? Roberto Luna. Your father's last name is Luna? Luna. Luna. And your mother's? Guevara. Do you have another name aside from Roberto? No, that's all. And your date of birth? 9/20/53. September 20, 1953? Uh-huh. Do you have- Have you ever used another name? Before when, when I arrived here. What, what name did you have? Manuel Gomez. ManuelGomez. Just Manuel Gomez?

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LUNA:

Manuel Gomez and Cruz Solis. But that's when, when I crossed the border a long time ago.

INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Okay. Cruz as a name and Solis...? [IA] Solis as a last name. And any other date? What other dates of birth and you used? No, that's all. Just mine. That's all? Yours? Uh-huh. Okay. Uh, do you have a- Have you ever used a Social Security? A Social Security number that you've used?

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Once, years ago. Do you remember it? No, that was many years ago. No? In what- Where were you born? In what city and state? In, in Mexico City. In the, in the City of Mexico? The City of Mexico. Okay. I'm very dizzy becauseUh-huh. -[IA] medicine [IA] I haven't smoked becauseWhat-I smoke a lot. I smoke a lot. A lot? I smoke three packs a day. Oh!

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LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

That's why I feel like this. You feel very dizzy? Yeah. Okay, do you need a drink of water or something? No, no. I'm okay Okay. He says he's kind of dizzy because [IA] he takes medicine and he smokes three packs a day and hasn't smoked.

AGENT: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: INTERP: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA:

That's a lot of cigarettes. [laughs] Uh, what color is your hair? Black-and-white. [laughs] How much do you weigh? Right now, I weigh- Oh, when I weighed myself... The last time: 93. About 93, okay. 93. Okay. How tall are you? 1.5 What is your date- What is your uh, address? Well, I was living here with a buddy. Uh-huh. Here, in Tijuana. Uh-huh. But I lived up in, in Los Angeles with my wife, before. How long has it been since you've lived in Los Angeles? Uh, about 8 months. But when she's not there, I go see it all of my grandchildren there. I always go.

INTERP:

So, that's the address that you give?

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LUNA: INTERP:

Yes, my daughter is there along with my, my [overlapping voices] He says he has two addresses. He has one in LA and he has one in TJ. He's uh, been separated from his wife for the last 8 months. He's staying in TJ right now but he still goes to the address in LA.

LUNA:

But when, when she go to work, I go, I go to her house and I see my [IA]. How do you say?

INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: AGENT: INTERP: AGENT: INTERP: LUNA: AGENT: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Chil- grandchildren. Your grandchildren? Grandchildren, uh-huh. Grandchildren. Okay. So, do you want the, the TJ one? Give us the US address first. From Los Angeles. Give me your Los Angeles address. It's 1[IA] the Mexico one like, over here. Okay. 1061410614. -La Reina. Uh-huh. In the city of Downey. La Reina Street, Avenue? Avenue, Avenue. Apartment number? [IA] apartment. It's Downey?

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Downey. D-O-W-N-Y? Uh-huh. And the ZIP code? 90241. And what is the one in Tijuana? It's Doctores 125. Uh-huh [IA] Colonia Indeco. Indeco? Indeco. In Tijuana? Uh-huh. Do you know this code? No. Is it an apartment or is that the house number? It's a house. Okay. Do you have any tattoos, scarsNo. -any uh, no scarsNo. -from surgeryNo. -or any...? No? What do you do for a living? Uh, painter and, and body man. I do bodywork. Uh, for a company?

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LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

I worked at One Day Paint and Body. But right now, you're not working? No, right now- Before, I was like a self-employer. Uh-huh. I worked for myself. And is that what you do now too? No, I'm not working right now. You don't have a job right now? You're not working. Okay. Uh, what is your telephone number?

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The cell phone? Uh-huh. It's area 323323 -528528 -8508. So, no uh, tattoos or scars? [IA] No. Okay. Do you have- Okay. What is your father's first and last name? Rodolfo Luna. And his date of birth? I don't remember. You don't remember? How old was he? I haven't seen him in a long time. Okay.

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I haven't seen him in about 20 years. And your fa- your mother? Rosa Guevara Ramirez. And your mother's address? I don't know it. I know that she lives in Veracruz, Mexico. And your wife, what's her name? Maria Elena Luna. Do you have her date of birth? September 27Uh-huh. 1956. And the address is the, this oneThe same one. 106? The same one. How many children do you have? Three. Do they live there, with her, the kids? Yes. One of them has movedWith, with-there, in Downey, right there. Okay, what's the name of your oldest son? Armando Luna. Old is he? 32 years old. 32 years old? And your other son? [IA]

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LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Uh, next is my daughter. Uh-huh, what's her name? Veronica Luna. And how old is she? I think she's 28. And your other son. He's the youngest. He's Oscar Luna. Okay. 22. I don't know what [IA] Should I- Connect with that or do you want the same as this one?

AGENT: INTERP: AGENT: LUNA:

You can just put"Same as". -"Same as". My son, the oldest, when he was 20 days old, I bring to this country, 20 days little baby.

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Your, your son or your-? [IA] yeah. [IA] Do you have any other, other relatives who live in the house with you? No. No? Okay, let's see. [IA] Do you have any cash on you? Any money? How much money do you have? Uh, I think like, 144, I think. And do you have any medical conditions? Tell her. She [IA]

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[IA] Do you have a medical condition? Yes. What do you have? I have diabetes, cholesterol and high blood pressure. High cholesterol, okay. No, I have diabetes. Cholesterol is something else. Uh-huh. And high pressure. And I didn't bring my medicine. What medication do you take? I forgot over there because I went in the weekend to the house and I, and I leave, I leave the medicines over there.

AGENT: LUNA: AGENT: LUNA: AGENT: LUNA: AGENT: LUNA: AGENT: LUNA: AGENT: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA:

Which house? At my wife's house. Okay. When she's not there, I go. I like to see my little kids. Uh-huh. And I leave the medicines over there. Okay. So, you take two different kinds? [IA] five. Okay, for diabetes and highDiabetes, high pressure, uh, cholesterol and the other one is for the nails. Uh-huh. The, the, the nails and another for, for this. Is this all that you have: 144 dollars? Yes.

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INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: AGENT: LUNA:

You don't have any pesos? No. Okay. So, you don't know any of the names of the medicines? I don't remember. I don't remember. When I don't drink medicine, I fall down and I go to hospital. The sugar's too high.

AGENT:

Okay.

UNKNOWN: Sorry to interrupt. [IA] AGENT: Yeah.

UNKNOWN: [IA] got a phone call for you. [leaves room] [pause] LUNA: I'm trying to think how [IA] that there. Why? [pause ] There's no use bothering because she's coming back, right? INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: You- It's just that right now, I- Since I'm not going to make out the, theUh-huh. -the report, she'll ask you and as soon as she comes back she'll give youBecause I'm thinking. -the opportunity. I [IA] the car to have it fixed. In a little while, she'll give you a chance to talk, okay? Uh-huh. [AGENT returns] He just started talking. So, I told him [I-A] AGENT: Okay. Uh, okay, I know that uh, you had your rights read to you earlier. We're just gonna go ahead and go over them again just so that uh, you know, we're, we're really clear on this.

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LUNA: AGENT:

Uh-huh. Uh, if you could, after she reads each line, right your initials next to it, indicating that you understand it. And if you have any questions, uh, just let us know, okay?

INTERP:

Sir, I'm going to read them to you in Spanish and if you understand, understand, write down your initials.

LUNA: INTERP:

On each one? On each one. There's one here. Write down your initials and if you don't- you have a question, I can answer it, okay?

LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. Before we ask you any questions, you must know your rights. Do you understand?

LUNA: INTERP:

Yes. Okay. Write down your initials. You have the right to remain silent. Did you understand?

LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. Anything that you say can be used against [sic] in a court or in any other proceeding. Do you understand?

LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. You have the right to consult with an attorney before you make any statement or answer any question. Do you understand?

LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. You have the right to have an attorney present with you during the questioning. Do you understand?

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[IA] If you cannot afford an attorney one will be provided for you before we ask you any questions, if you wish. If you decide to respond to our questions now, you

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still have the right to stop the questioning at any time or to stop the questioning for the purpose of consulting with an attorney. Did you understand? Uh-huh. Okay. The part on the bottom is if you want to speak with her, I need you to sign this paper and, "This declaration of my rights has been read and explained to me and I completely understand these rights. I freely and voluntarily waive them without having been threatened nor intimidated and without any promises of compensation or immunity. I was arrested today at...", and she will write down today's date and the time and, "I have signed this document," and she will now put down today's date and time

Okay Roberto. So, uh, as we- I know you were told before that narcotics were found in, in your vehicle. Uh, now, you know, we, we've been doing this for a long time. Okay, we see cases like this all the time and we know how they work. And we know that people don't just mysteriously and upwards, with drugs in their car. Okay? Uh, like I said before, you know, the main thing I want from you is for you to be honest and be forthcoming. Uh, so, I'm just gonna start off by a jsking you how much were you going to be paid today to bring these drugs into the country? Well, I don't see the drugs. First of all, I don't see the drugs. Okay. But I, I don't know- I don't know who put the drugs because I, I, I don't want toanywhere to leave drugs or something like that. What I'm thinking, I leave the car on the weekend because the guy he sold me the car and the car was, uh, hot [IA] hot and he, he was fixing it for me. The car would get hot?

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LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

It would get hot. [IA] oh, it was [IA] And he did something there with the drugs then. He says he took the car to a mechanic since it was overheating and, and so he thinks that's where he got the drugs from, when he took- left it at the mechanic.

AGENT: LUNA: AGENT:

Okay, RobertoBut, it's- ButNo, wait, wait. Okay, like I said before, I've already done some investigating in this case. Okay, you, you've been here for a few hours now. You've made statements to several people. Okay, you were asked when you got here whether you had taken that car to a mechanic recently and you said "no", okay?. And I understand this is not a fun situation.

LUNA: AGENT:

Uh-Huh. Okay. And, and I know you're probably scared right now. This seems like a big deal and you're trying to, to get the responsibility off of you, okay?

LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: AGENT: LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-Huh. Do you understand what she's telling you? Yes. Okay. Okay. So[IA] responsibility is mine [IA] they found that. Exactly. She- you've already made some statements. Uh, she knows that the car is not, was not broken down. She has made many cases just like yours, sir.

LUNA: INTERP:

Okay. So, she knows how this works. She knows that maybe the drugs don't belong to you. You have nothing to do with those drugs.

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LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. But she knows that they must have offered you this because you had a financial necessity that you had.

LUNA: INTERP:

[IA] She knows that maybe you found yourself forced to do this. What she wants is your cooperation. The more you cooperate-

LUNA: INTERP: LUNA:

Okay. I, I know that no- Go ahead. Last, last week, I went by then to and where the immigration officer was, the car stopped on me three cars before then.

INTERP: LUNA:

Uh-huh. Boom! It stalled on me. And I had that problem [IA] the guy who had sold it to me [IA] seventy-five dollars and I told him to fix it because it was running very badly. And he's the one who did this to me.

INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Okay, let me tell you something. The one that- I know that maybe- Is the car yours? Yes, I bought it from him. How long has this car belonged to you? About one and one half month. Okay, if you- obviously, the, the- I don't know if you know what sort of drugs were in the car.

LUNA: INTERP:

No. I don't know. If there were- Listen. If you know what amount was there. However I don't think these drugs belonged to you. However, we know that you were offered some money to bring the car because you are able to cross up here and because these people do this for a living.

LUNA:

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INTERP:

These people don't care if you are caught when you cross because they take the risk of the amount of money that they are going to bring and make here from the-Out of five trips- Out of ten trips that they make, one will be caught and they know that the other eight, with that they make- What they lose is a risk, okay? I know that you- and she knows that you were offered some money to-

LUNA: INTERP:

No. Listen to me, okay? They offered you money to bring the car. You were maybe going to drop off the car somewhere here. You were going to go back, they were going to pay you. Obviously, the amou- the amount of drugs was going to- The type of drugsI don't think you did this for the first time. I don't think so because usually, the first time, the person who does it once is not, is not- What you were bringing it not like, is not trusted to someone for the first time. Okay? If you haven't been caught before-

LUNA: INTERP:

No. -it doesn't matter. But what she wants to know- This is what interests her: If you want to help yourself in your case-

LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. Lying is not going to help you. [IA] Lying is not going to help you. The judge will read her case. Uh-huh. Okay? If you start telling lies, "Oh , I didn't know. I didn't know." And I understand that it's, it's because you're trying to say- you know, out of fear gone because- not because she don't want to take the responsibility for what you did but out of fear, more than anything. However, if a judge sees that you're cooperating in your own case and you're saying that it's out of necessity for "X" reason and you had your next eye surgery, if your financial situation for whatever reason, four-year medical

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illnessesUh-huh. And whatever it was why you need money right now, you don't have a job and you saw yourself forced to do this, there is more of a chance that, that, that a judge sees the reasonsUh-huh. -why, because they understand why people do this, because he knows that instead of loading it, if you packaged those drugs in the car, you brought it because that's your car. That means that what's in the carYes. -belongs to you. If you had the money to put those drugs in the car, bring it to the United States with the intention of selling it- because those drugs are not for personal consumption. Those drugs are to be sold here. If you live in Los Angeles and you're going to distribute it and sell it, all of those are things that you'll make of that, out of all of those drugs, that's what you're looking at then. If you say, and it makes sense, "I don't have the money." If you had the money to do all of that, you wouldn't be risking your lifeUh-huh. -or your papers. Someone would pay youUh-huh. -to do it, right? True. Okay, if you want to help yourself in your case, take the responsibility for what you did. If they told you to take this and you didn't know what it was and you knew it was marijuana, cocaine, heroin, whatever. The details that you know more about is what she wants to hear.

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LUNA:

Uh-Huh. Believe me. The truth- Believe me, I don't know how those drugs and it up there nor do I know how much is in there. I was surprised when they told me there. I felt like this, sort of- Well, it's logical because I heard that and it's normal. So, I felt-

INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA:

Where were you going? I don't know whyWhere were you going? I was going to go see a friend here, on, on University and 41st. Uh-huh. And 42nd. is there. He has a shop. Okay. And I haven't seen him for about 20 years. Okay. This person has a body shop. The name is [IA] Where did you pick up your car today? Here where, at Dorian's and 2nd. Why there? There's a parking lot. Because that's where my friend gave me the car. He gave it to me last night. It was late.

INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

And why did you pick it up there in the morning? I needed the car. And the car was ready. Do you think that just anyone- Putting that large amount of drugs in the car that you had in the car, they would let somebody and- lose the money? No, sir!

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LUNA: INTERP:

I know. I know. Let me tell you something. We've heard this story many times, okay? What- Let me tell you-

LUNA: INTERP:

[IA] No. Let me tell you. This story I've heard it a thousand times. I don't work- I come to work once a week to do interviews.

LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. Okay? And this same story that you're telling me is not going to help you at all. What she wants to know- If you tell her- I know that you may not know who are the guys who recruited you to offer you this. I know that he may not be able to give the information-

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Yes, butListen to me. Let me finish telling you. I know that- I know that you know- You're not a person who [IA] You're a mature person, you know how business is run in Mexico. If they didn't tell you how much, if they didn't tell you their name, if theyif you met such and such a person by a nickname and you had-

LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. -the necessity and they offered you to do itI understand. Okay. You know that they're not going to give anyone, trust anyone with that car that has drugs in it without knowing where he's going. Why?

LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

First, it's in my name. Exactly! You know it doesn't make sense. Uh-huh. Okay? What she needs to know is if- Obviously, a lot of time has gone by. If, at the beginning, you had tried to help yourself- We- They don't care about catching you,

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sir. What they care about is catching the people who are distributing here. If you cooperate and say, "Look, I was told to drop off the car at such and such a place..." Uh, they're not going to release you. You won't be released under any circumstance but it helps your case how the judge sees that you're honest or that you tried to help the, the officers. If you say, "In such and such a parking lot in San Ysidro, on such and such a street in San Diego...", or whatever, for future cases. One question. I didn't see, right. I would have liked to see it but how much was in the car? I'm telling him- Hold on. Let me tell her. Uh-huh. I was telling him about the whole thing because he was saying about the car being in the shop and I told him, you know, "We have heard that hundreds of times so you just wanna be honest before you write your report full of lies..." So, it would be better for him to be honest from the beginning. And so I said just to let you know, you know, well, who hired him. You know, what was he bringing, how much he was gonna pay him, and then he says, "Well, let me ask you one question: How much it was in the car? I, I don't know exactly how much. Yeah, they're still, uh, taking it out of the car. So, I won't know that yet for a while. Okay. [IA] problem. You have a big problem. However, I know that your responsibility, your

responsibility is the smallest part. Unfortunately those are the ones who are caught but however, it's the smallest part. Uh-huh. Which is: You'll have the charges transporting them here. If all of these drugs don't belong to you then, say who they belong to or-

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LUNA: INTERP:

The thing is I don't know. If you don't know. I know you don't know- You may not be able to tell me, "Juan Garcia Perez [IA]," date of birth. But I know there's someone in Tijuana who they call "Chato Negro" or whatever---

LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. -who does this for a living, who for a living tells- hires people in a bar, in many places, in a bar-

LUNA: INTERP:

Yes. -at a party, a neighbor, a mechanic. "Hey, I'll pay you a certain amount..." because people are in need because I know people have many hardships in Mexico and they find themselves obligated and they promise them that nothing will happen and to take a chance and do it once. "Take the car and you'll see that nothing will happen to you." And you take it a second time and the second time, unfortunately, if they catch you, they catch you and if not, you keep on, they keep on doing business.

LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. And I know that this is, this is the responsibility of the people who bring the cars. I don't believe that you had the money to package the drugs-

LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Oh no. -put them in the car and, and I thinkI don't have money [I-A] -that, that they told you, "Give me your name. We'll put the car in your name: Uh, registration and you won't have any problems. Say that it's your car. Uh, pick it up in the morning. Go to such and such a parking lot. We'll have it ready for you there. You go to pick it up , you cross on the street, you drop it off in San Ysidro and you come back." Tell me if that's the way it works or not.

LUNA:

The truth is I don't know [I-A]

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Exactly. And you telling me, "I didn't know or..." So , you're seeing, okay, all of the charges and all of the charges are for you. Or, or do you prefer- I can't give you advice. I can't tell you what to say.

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Uh-huh. Okay? But I can tell you to be honest and [IA] I'm trying to say everything that... [I-A] I know that- I know that you know. I'm trying [I-A] it's Don't think. Tell her the truth before she starts writing. That's the truth. Okay. So, tell me the story. Well, like I said, I came here this morning. I came here to San Diego and this officer, she stopped me. And the car heated up on me in there too. It's heated up on me again. These cars which she that they can't handle going very fast. They heat up. And it's heated up on me again. That's why I was stopped. I don't know. She noticed something. She sent me to secondary inspection and that was it. And [IA] and I didn't see anything else. Uh-huh.

INTERP:

He just said, "I don't know what happened. The car overheated [I-A] when I get-" when he got to the agent probably noticed something-

LUNA: INTERP: AGENT: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Last night, I picked it up last night. I picked it up at about [IA] -[overlapping voices] secondary inspection. Okay Roberto, why did you tell the inspector you hadn't been to a mechanic recently? What? Why did you tell the inspector you hadn't been to a mechanic recently? I didn't say that. He says, "I didn't say anything like that." But then he just told me that last night, he

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picked it up, the car last night and then earlier he had just said that he picked it up this morning. He picked it up from the mechanic? From, from the mechanic. I haven't spoken with anyone about, about [IA] Let me tell you something. You've given me two different stories. Go on. You told me that he picked up the car in the morning and now you're telling me that you picked up the car last night. No, I came in the car in the morning and I picked it up at night. Then, why if you picked it up at night what did you say that you picked it up on the way back at Dorian's in the morningAt night. -this morning? No, I didn't say in the morning. At night. At about 8:45-9:00. I picked it up yesterday. Because you told meOh no. -"I picked it up in the morning because it was closed last night." No, I never said it was closed. He's like mobile, this guy. He doesn't have a shop. He just likeWhere on Second Street, Sir? It's on uh [draws on the table with finger], I don't remember if it goes this way or that way. I think it's this way, right? Do you know where Dorian's is? Yes. There's a dentist over here and an auto body shop and a parking lot for, for parking.

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Uh-huh. And there, there [IA] car, across from the dentist, next to it. Uh-huh. And I bought it there [IA] this is where he hangs out and they know him there. I imagine [I-A] in the back, in the parking lot.

INTERP: LUNA: AGENT: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Did you see this mechanic last night? Yes, he gave me the car last night. What did you do after you picked up the car? What? What did you do after you picked up the car? I went to eat some tacos here near Coahuila. I just went to[IA] -the bar area in TJ to eat tacos. What else did you do? And then I came back here [indicates with head movement] and then [IA] Where is "here"? Over this way. The thing is I'm not very familiar with the streets. Okay, where, in what neighborhood is that? Like, down below where the Otay port of entry is. Uh-huh. I don't remember the other street. Okay. So, from downtown, you went to Coahuila to buy some tacosUh-huh. And then, you went home? No, no, no, I didn't go home at all. So, where is that, near the Otay port of entry?

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I stayed- I stayed in the truck [IA] In the pickup? Yeah, that's where I stayed. In that car? You slept in there? Uh-huh. Where? In the car. Where did you park it? There, where I told you on this avenue. I don't remember. Where the Otay port of entry is and that big avenue.

INTERP: LUNA:

Uh-huh. Why did you go all the way over there? Because I want to go pick it up [points to the right] in the morning because there's a lot of traffic here [points to the left] and the morning.

INTERP:

And where is... [aside to agent in English] Where- He came across the border, uh, at Otay or here?

AGENT: INTERP:

Here, here. And then why, if you went to Otay- He's saying that he picked up the car last night around 20 uh, around 9:00 and then went to eat tacos where the- at the bar area in downtown, then, from there he drove to Otay, uh, by the Otay border crossing-

AGENT: INTERP:

Uh-huh. -area. He spent the night in the car because this morning he was gonna come across [IA] He didn't go home, so he slept in the car, parked around the Otay border.

AGENT: INTERP: AGENT: INTERP:

Uh-huh. But then he crossed from this side. Okay. Why did you come in the mor- If you stay there to sleep all night , close to the border,

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to be close, to cross, then why did you come to San Ysidro? I got up very early. I woke up early. Very early. And why didn't you [IA] Because- Look, it's because there's less traffic there but it sometimes takes longer. And here, sometimes it's the opposite because the ports are big, it's faster at times. So, at what time- At what time did you get up? What? At what time did you get up? At about [pause]- At about 4:00. At 4:00 a.m? I woke up. And there was that long of a line there? I didn't get there at 4:00, I got there at aboutIn Otay, you say that at 4:00 a.m., there was a long line? No, I didn't go up there, to the Otay port of entry. I was there. I stayed nearby there to sleep butUh-huh. -I had planned on crossing there at the Otay port of entry but I never went to the Otay port of entry. Okay. So, what did you do then? I, I got up early. The cold woke me up early. So, I came over here to the, the big avenue. And how long did it take you to cross? A long time. Like... Like an hour and a half. I was [overlapping voices] At what time did you cross? At what time did he come across? Uh...

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At what time did you cross in the morning? It was at about... at about a quarter to 8:00, twenty to 8:00, So, what did you do during four hours? Well, the trip and then crossing. I've lived there and when I see a long line, I take off and go to Otay and it takes, takes me 15 minutes at most to get there.

LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Look, the traffic was on the bridgeNo, but I know the area. I lived in Tijuana. Okay. Okay? Where the bridge is, it takes about one hour to get there. Uh-huh. And from the bridge to here, it's still a long way. There was a lot of traffic. Even if the traffic lasted 2 hours, what did you do during the other 2 hours? Well, the drive. It doesn't take me two hours butExactly. Something like that. I don't remember exactly. Something like that. He said that he woke up at 4:00, he decided to come to the-this crossing here at, uh, downtown. So, and he was in line around 4:00. And I said, "Well, what did you do between- those 4 hours?"

AGENT: INTERP:

4 hours. And he's like, "It took me... Well, I didn't..." and I said, "Well, it doesn't take you 4 hours-

AGENT: INTERP: AGENT:

No. -to drive from Otay over here. But he said the line wasn't very long, long, long. Hold on Roberto. I, I don't want you to keep spinning these stories, okay?

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LUNA: AGENT:

Uh-huh. Okay. This is getting old already, okay? You're making this up as you go along. Nothing is consistent.

LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: AGENT:

[to interpreter] Tell her to continue. You continue! She told you that[IA] Hold on. What was the- When was the last time you got gas? When was the last time you put gas in the car?

LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA:

What did she say? When was the last time you put gasoline in the car? I put gas in it in the morning [IA] Where? Where it was there, nearby there. The Eurozone is there and the Pemex is there. That's where I put some in and [IA] coffee [IA]

INTERP:

He says he, uh, gas... He put some guest this morning by the Otay area. How much gas did you put in?

LUNA: AGENT: LUNA: AGENT: INTERP: AGENT: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

I put in... Oh, I don't remember anymore. Was it empty when you put it in? No. About half a gallon. How much gas did it have? I mean, what was the needle? How much [IA] Oh, he says half. It was half [IA] The needle showed that it was halfI don't remember. You say the tank was half full? Uh, a little more than half. Just a little- It has a little bit over half. So, did you fill it up?

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Yes, I think [IA] So he filled it up. Oh, I don't even remember anymore! [IA] How much gas did you put in it? I don't remember. Why did you fill it up if it was over half full? I like- I like to have the tank full. Gas is at least four dollars a gallon and you're in that much of a hurry to fill it up? I like to fill it up all the time. Why? Well, I feel better... when I put gas in the car. Why did you sleep in your car last night? You said- You gave us an address you're have in Tijuana.

LUNA: AGENT:

Because I don't wanna- I'm thinking I don't want to bother them over there. So I [IA] So, you drove all the way from downtown, all the way over to Otay Mesa to sleep in your car. Then, you woke up in the morning and drove back here-

LUNA: AGENT: LUNA: AGENT: LUNA: AGENT:

Uh-huh. -to cross through this border? Yeah, because I was [IA] [slams hand on the table] Roberto, come on! Stop it! [IA] earlyStop it! Listen. This is BS, okay? Are you listening to what you're saying? Because do you realize how many times your story has changed?

LUNA: AGENT:

NoNo! Listen, you told the inspector when you got here that you had not been to a mechanic recently.

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[IA] And I know you're denying that now but I have a report from the inspector, telling me exactly that, okay? Now you're saying, "Oh. Wait, I went to a mechanic yesterday," okay? You told the inspector you got gas last night. Now you say you got gas this morning.

LUNA: AGENT: LUNA:

No, it's this morning. In the morning. Okay, why did you tell him last night? That- The inspector said different. The other one, he said that mechanic [IA] I didn't say anything about a mechanic there.

INTERP:

You've given me two different stories, okay? Two different stories. I'm not going to lie-

LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. -okay? I have no reason to lie but I have- I have a very good memory and even though you don't see me take notes I know what you're telling me.

LUNA: INTERP: AGENT: LUNA: INTERP: AGENT: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. Okay? Roberto, have we treated you with respect here today? I don't feel very well. Since I haven't taken my medicine I feel very, very dizzy. Okay. As if I had drunk about eight beers. That's how I feel. Okay, what do you need? Do you need a glass of water or something? No, I need my medicine. Okay, we don't have medicine here. However, when you arrive at the jail they will give you- When you arrive at the jail they will take you to a, a place where, where there will be a nurse. The nurse uh, we'll tell you what you have and take your pressure and they'll give you, they'll give you medicine.

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I feel very dizzy. He says that he feels dizzy. Uh, and I told him that when he gets to jail he goes to the nurse's second floor and then [UI]. They'll give you your medicine there. I asked him if he needed water or something. He says, "No."

AGENT:

Okay. So, we've treated you well, yes? Roberto, because I feel that we've treated you with respect, okay, and you're not doing the same. Okay, you're telling us stories. You're telling us lies and that's a little bit insulting to me, okay? The fact that you think we're gonna believe these stories... They keep changing, okay? You know, I understand this is a bad situation.

LUNA: AGENT: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: AGENT: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Yeah. Okay but what you're doing here is not making it better. I don't feel well. I don't feel good. What sort of medicine do you take? Because when I don't take it... Okay. What sort of medicine do you take? It's uh- I take two for diabetes. Uh-huh. I take one for cholesterol. Okay. What's it called? The thing is, I don't remember. When was the last time you took them? Yes- Yes- Yesterday. At what time yesterday? In the morning. Yesterday morning, all night, all day yesterday, he didn't take your medicine?

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No, yesterday mor- Last night, I didn't take it. How often are you supposed to take it? I forgot them up there. You forgot them in Los Angeles? Yes, it's 2 each day for the diabetes. One is when I, when I wake up in the morning. Uh-huh. And the other is when I go to bed. Okay. And the other is for my nails but I don't [IA] a lot. Uh-huh. That's so I don't get a nail infection. Okay. Where did you forget your medicine? There, at my daughter's house. In Los Angeles? Yes. But you haven't had your medicine since the weekend, right? Huh? You haven't taken your medicine since the weekend? No, I did yesterday but all day and, and today I didn't take it. He says, "Well, yesterday I took it in the morning and then all day and last night, I didn't take it.

LUNA: INTERP:

Because [IA] Because he left it on- up in LA and he came- He arrived here yesterday, in the evening.

AGENT: LUNA:

Okay, you said you weren't- hadn't been in LA since the weekend. What?

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But you said you had not been in Los Angeles since the weekend. No, I was there this weekend. I came yesterday, in the afternoon. How did you get there? I catch the bus and I came on the Tres Estrellas. I[IA] my medicine. Yesterday. He came yesterday from LA. When did you drop off the car at the mechanic's, in Tijuana?

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Uh, I think Thursday. Last Thursday? Yes, Thursday. More or less, yes, on Thursday. So, your wife knows that you were there during all of those days? What? You were at your wife's house during all of those days, since Thursday? Yes, she knows. Okay. So, you left the house[IA] when she's not there. But you have to sleep somewhat don't you? Yes, but I mean, I'm not with her. Okay. So, where did you sleep? I stayed there. So [IA] [IA] Okay. So, you stayed there at your wife's house and there, there- So, if we call the house, they will know what medicine you have?

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Okay, and that it's there? It's there but I don't think there's anyone at the house right now. No one's there. Okay. Because they all work. Okay. He's just saying- I said, " So..."- I asked him, "So, you spent all weekend at your wife's house? Is that- "Well, when she was in there." And I said, "Well, you didn't- You say you- Where out there? So, where do you sleep?" He's like, "Well, yeah, I slept there." [IA] I can call the house and ask them about your medication and that you were there, they're gonna say `yes'." He's like, "Well, there's no one at the house."

AGENT: LUNA: AGENT: LUNA:

Oh well, what's the number? WhenWell, let's call. When I got to see uh, my, my grandson, my, my little boys, I have a little truck over there a uh `93-

AGENT: LUNA:

Uh-huh. -Ranger and, and I don't stay in the house there with my wife because she gives me dirty looks. I stayed in the truck [I-A]

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Uh-huh. [IA] So, this number right here 323, is that the number at this address? What number? This, this number. What number is that? No, that's, that's my cellular. Okay, what's the number here at the house? It's uh, 562 622-2512.

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And your wife is Maria? Maria. So, if we call her, she'll tell us that you were there this weekend? Uh-huh. Yeah? Right now, nobody's in, in the house. Everybody they went to [IA] Okay, well, hopefully she'll be there, right? What's she gonna tell us? Huh? When we call her and talk to her, what is she gonna tell us about this weekend? No one went in the weekend over there. Yeah, what is she gonna say: That you spent the night there, that you were visiting the kids? Is she gonna say that?

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What, what? I don't- I don't understand. Yes, is she going, going to say you went there, visited the kids and you were there? Oh, she knows that. Okay. She know that. Okay, how did you get up there? You'll have to excuse me right now that don't, don't feel well enough to, to correctly, correctly answer. Like, I feel very [IA].

INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

What do you need? Uh, I feel better with my medicine and, andOkay but-when you smoke a cigarette too. A cigarette also makes me like [IA] Okay. He says, "I'm sorry that I don't feel well. I felt kind of, of high and uh, I just need a smoke or I need my medicine, or I need a smoke because the smoke, the

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smoking will help me." Yes because when I smoke, I feel better when I smoke. I smoke when, when I was 9 years old and I smoke three packs a day. So now, I feel like, like when I drink like 6, 7 beers... So, I don't have [IA] Okay. Do you understand what we're talking about? Yeah. Okay. I understand. Okay, and you understand these- the things that you're saying to us, you understandUh-huh. -what you're saying? Everything again? She asks if you, if you understand uh, uh, what's going on right now. Yes. You do understand? And you do understand what she's saying and what you're saying? You do understand that? Uh-huh. Yes? Yes. Okay. You can't smoke here, obviously. It's a building where you can't smoke and we don't have cigarettes to offer you. Yeah. I can't say that I would like to smoke because obviously there is no smoking, there are no cigarettes. And if you're going to be in jail for all of this time that you have left... Starting now, you should get used to the idea that you're not going to smoke. Really?

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Uh-huh. [I A] anyway because I wanted to stop and I was never able to. You want to stop? [laughs] That's good. It's never too late to stop. I used to work [IA] paint and body. [IA] [I A] cars a day and, and I could never kick the habit. Start getting used to not smoking because for the rest of, at least several, several months you're not gonna be able to smoke in jail.

AGENT:

Yeah. Uh, Roberto I want you to understand something. Uh, you know, I believe that you know what's going on, what was going on with that car, okay?

LUNA: AGENT:

Uh-huh. Bat I also don't think that you were, you know, kind of the mastermind behind this. I don't think that you bought the drugs and put it in the car.

LUNA: AGENT:

Uh-huh. Okay? I don't think you were gonna bring them here and sell them, okay? I do think you are being paid. I, I know that you were being paid.

LUNA: AGENT:

[IA] Okay? But wait, wait! Just let me finish. Uh, you know, I know that somebody else hired you to do this, okay? I know that there's people down there that, you know, you work with and then there's people up here that you were bringing the stuff to.

LUNA: AGENT:

Yeah [IA] Those, those are really the people that I'm interested in, okay? You're kind of a little fish, so to speak, okay? And I understand that. You know, we know how these things work. And we also know that the people that are here in these cars are not the ones at the top, okay? And, you know, what I'm trying to do today is gets you to help us out, to give us some information that can help us get to those people. Because if

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that happensThat, that what I doing. [IA] can do. Okay but that's not what you're doing is you'reYeah. "Yeah", what? You told me something about [IA] I told him in the morning something about, about the mechanic. I never told him anything and we never spoke about that. [IA] told me. Okay, this is not- Roberto, Roberto. Pay attention to her. Listen to her. You need to start telling the truth. Uh-huh. Okay, because if you think that you're gonna tell us, "Oh, I went to this mechanic," and that's gonna go anywhere, I mean, that's ridiculous. Uh-huh. Okay. Do you know how much those drugs are worth? It's a lot of money. [IA] some drugs? The drugs in , in you car. I no see. I- You probably didn't see them and she knows that you probably didn't see them. I, I'm sure you didn't see them. I, I believe that. [IA] I understand that. How much? I, I don't know yet, exactly the it- over half a million dollars. Million? Oh, Jesus! It's too much. You see how these people are using you?

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Know, it's too much money. I mean, what did they tell[IA] What did they-money. What did they tell you was in the car, Roberto? Huh?. What did they tell you was going to be in the car? Nothing. Nobody told me nothing.. Okay, but you knew something was in the car? What I- What I don't know, why they put uh , the drugs in the car. Maybe when they fixed the car..

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Roberto, stop It! That's what I [IA]. Stop with that! I don't have no more idea. [snaps fingers] Listen . I don't have no more idea.. People don't put a half a million dollars, or more, worth of product in a car and not know how- How were they gonna get it? How were they gonna get it back?

INTERP:

Do you think that they gonna risk half a million dollars? "Oh yeah, we're gonna put- We don't have anything, any place store these drugs. We're gonna put them in your car and you're gonna take the car. You know that those- that there were gonna be drugs in the car. Say that

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No [IA] You knew they were going to be drugs there.

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LUNA: INTERP:

No. Nobody- Okay, tell me, if you have $100, would you leave them in an unknown car to be taken away?

LUNA: INTERP:

[IA] No, no.. Listen to me. If you have those $143-$144 that you had, would you leave them in a car that you don't know- that belongs to a friend and have him take them without following that car, without telling him, "Hey, stop at the-

LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

No. No. Do you think that if you won't leave $140[IA] -do you think that they words leave half a million dollars? I didn't know about that. It's a lot. Okay, well let me tell you. She doesn't know what the entire amount is yet because they're still taking the drugs out of the car.

LUNA: INTERP:

[IA] Listen. But that's what you're facing. If you want to take all the blame for all of that money... She, she'll write the report. If you- All of the lies- Because they are lies, no matter what you say.

LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh. Those are lies. She's been doing interviews for years. I've been interviewing people for years. I can recognize the symptoms of a person who is lying just like she can, okay? If she- You're starting out with these lies. The only thing that your report will show is that you put these drugs in the car. You brought them to cross to the United States with the intention of selling them and making half a million dollars in earnings. You're responsible for all of this, for all of this conflict of, of, of drugs, traffic, okay? However, she knows- I know because there are a lot of people like you

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who, out of necessity, see themselves forced to do something when the drugs don't belong to you, when they belong to who knows who but there's someone who, who called me and said, "Hey, I'm offering you such and such an amount. We need this or that. All that you have to do is pick up this car in the morning, take it, crossed the border. Drop it off at the parking lot. Drop it off at the swap meet. Leave it on such and such a street and leave the keys there. Come on back and we'll pay you." We're not- I know- We- They're not going to go to Tijuana to look for this person. However, you can find out with all of the, the, the information that you... The more you cooperate and can say, "They're paying such and such an amount of money for this much- for this type of drug, they're paying this much. They're taking it to a certain parking lot and they're not going to [IA] You've been caught. They're out there. They don't care. They're not even going to investigate where- They already know that you car was stopped. Once it doesn't arrive within a couple of three hours to the place where you were taking it, they already know the car is still here, at the border and that they've now lost this, and they don't care. They're not going to waste time or anything. Not going to be released Tijuana either today or tomorrow or the day after or within a few months. If you're afraid of, "Oh, they're going to let me out if I tell them." You're not getting out of jail. You'll go to jail for the crime that he committed which is for bringing drugs, okay? So, if you're afraid of, "Oh, if I talk they'll let me out and they're going to, to kill me. They're going to..." That's not going to happen because you won't be released. They don't have- The information that you give her is confidential. The only thing that helps is to know to what parking lots they take the drugs. And what they do, knowing in advance what parking lots- They aren't interested in catching the person: a Mexican who comes to get a- who, who- with a passport or whatever and came to drop off a car. What they're going to do is spend time spying on people who pick up their cars, would take

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them somewhere here, in San Diego or Los Angeles or wherever they take them, and from there they distribute. Those are the houses- You may have no idea where they're going to take this car. But they spend their time following these cars, these people could take the cars to dismantle them and take the drugs out. They do it so fast that times, even- If they told you, -I don't know how it was in your case today"Wait and go to the swap meet. Go to the store. Come back here in three hours. You'll find the keys here. Take the car back to Tijuana. If this is the case that means it's a house near here, okay, and that they do it from there. Uh-huh. Okay? That's the information that you can help yourself with. If you- Cases like yours, Sir, go to jail every day. Dozens of people for cases like yours. If you decide to cooperate with them and help them with that. This could be an information that you have that could help with an investigation here, that helps you in your case. If you want to start lying with all of this, it doesn't bother her to charge you with everything, for sale- of possession for[IA] -with, with possession for- of drugs for sale and smuggling to the United States with the intention of selling. If you want to take all of the cases, uh, tell lies. The lies that you're telling me and the lies that you're telling her hurt you more on her report and then being honest in saying, "Hey[IA] It's not true. No, don't tell me that. [IA] Don't tell me that you're being honest because you know that you're not being honest, okay? It's- Do you know how- The lies that you've told... You have kids, right?

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LUNA: INTERP:

Yes. You have children. You, when you- your children were little and they broke- If one of your kids was bad and as an adult you interview this child and the child tries to hide something because he's scared and you know how he's lying and he gets nervous [IA] You're talking that same way.

LUNA: INTERP:

[IA] Exactly. Because you're trying to cover the truth and what- nothing that you say makes sense. Just like a kid, you can tell that- how a kid lies when he's nervous. The things he says is exactly what we see in you, okay?

]LUNA:

Well, look, I'm doing everything that I can because like I said, I don't feel well as far as my head is concerned. I don't throw good right now because of the medicine and because I haven't smoked. But I'm trying as hard as I can. The best that I can.

INTERP:

Exactly. But I don't want you to tell me the best that you can. That's a lie because obviously, the lies are not consistent and don't make sense.

LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

No, I'm notOkay, I've already told you what she wants to hear. [IA] Okay? Yes. I need for you to tell me how much they were going to pay you to bring this car here. No, nothing. None of that. Uh-uh, nothing. You know you were. No, really. Believe me, no. No, no. Why should I believe you if you don't give me- You don't even have a good story. There are people... There are people who might be innocent, who have really done nothing but that would be one in a thousand who doesn't know, okay? Nobody

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is going to be given[IA] Nobody is going to be given all of those quantities of drugs in a car, without knowing- without saying where [overlapping voices] I don't know anything about the car. Nothing. Yes you do, Sir! No, no, no. Yes you know. I don't know! And you know what? BecauseThat's whyListen to me. Because it's not the first time that you do it. Because it's the sort of drugs that you brought in the amount of drugs that you brought. This is not for person who's given this for the first time. It's because you do this for a living. No. You can investigate me. I don't have a penny. I don't have any money in the bank. Well, you're doing it for a reason. And you say that I've done two or three jobs like this. No?. I, I don't have a penny in the bank. I have nothing. No, uh, I don't know what to do with the money.. I don't. I don't have any money. How much. that car costs you?. Uh, 475. And why did you buy another one if you already have one there, in Los Angeles?. Because when I came here I was hassled a lot with the black car, a convertible.

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INTERP: LUNA: INTERP:

Uh-huh.. [IA] secondary inspection over and over and I would always, always be late. And if you don't have any money , is gasoline that cheap so that you can go back and forth to Los Angeles and buy that other car when you had another one there, in Los Angeles?.

LUNA:

It's because I finally wanted to live up there, once and for all. I've been with my wife about 30 some odd years.

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Roberto why do you haveHe says he's going back [overlapping voices] Why do you have uh, two phones? Why do you have two cell phones?. Because one is not very good, the old one that I have had for years. Because the old one is not working very good. It's just uh... a Which one is the old one? Which one is the old one? The one which is like gray. The gray one. Okay. Uh, the battery is low a lot. I mean [IA] very well. Uh-huh. That's why. So, why do you only have like, four numbers on the other one? Why- And the other telephone, why does it only have for telephone numbers on it? I hardly use it. Because I don't use it much. Okay- Who's "Negro"?

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LUNA: AGENT: LUNA:

[IA] Who's "Negro"? Oh, he's the dude who helps me. He help me do some cars or do bodywork, right? Something like that.

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Uh-huh. He, he help me sometimes. When was the last time you talked to him? Huh? When's the last time you talked to Negro? [IA] money. When I was over there. Yeah, why? [IA] me. He wanna know if we work only do something to work. Uh-huh. But I don't answer. I, I'm not answer the phone. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's why. How come you didn't answer? Huh? Why didn't you answer him? Because I couldn't. I was there and uh, they wouldn't let me. That's why. Okay, because he's been calling, okay, asking to know where that car is. What? That he called. He's been calling to find out where the car is. [IA] and why? What car? What kind of car? No, he was calling me to see if we were going to work.

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Roberto, you know which car and you know why he was calling you. Yeah, Negro. Yeah, what? I know that he's working with you, okay? Yeah, he help me. Not buffing cars all working on cars. [IA] cars. Okay? Yeah. You know, if this is about you trying to protect him, you know, so be it. No, he work with me. No. Yeah, he wor